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KCS 70
Title:  KCS 70
Description:  Date approximate.
Photo Date:  3/1/1975  Upload Date: 6/17/2016 5:17:13 PM
Location:  Minden, LA
Author:  Mose Crews
Categories:  Roster
Locomotives:  KCS 70(F7A)
Views:  558   Comments: 0
F-unit GP30 mixture
Title:  F-unit GP30 mixture
Description:  Date approximate.
Photo Date:  8/1/1976  Upload Date: 6/17/2016 5:18:46 PM
Location:  Minden, LA
Author:  Mose Crews
Categories:  Yard,Action
Locomotives:  KCS 70(F7A)
Views:  708   Comments: 0
Train 24 Northbound
Title:  Train 24 Northbound
Description:  KCS 70 with F7B and GP30. Date approximate.
Photo Date:  2/1/1977  Upload Date: 6/17/2016 5:23:26 PM
Location:  Gilark, LA
Author:  Mose Crews
Categories:  Action
Locomotives:  KCS 70(F7A)
Views:  1674   Comments: 1
Milwaukee 70C
Title:  Milwaukee 70C
Description:  Paul Schneider Photo
Photo Date:  1/29/1978  Upload Date: 1/18/2017 9:19:33 PM
Location:  Milwaukee, WI
Author:  Richard Kundert
Categories:  Roster
Locomotives:  MILW 70C(F7A)
Views:  268   Comments: 1
Milwaukee Road 70C
Title:  Milwaukee Road 70C
Description:  Milwaukee Road Cab Unit 70C on the deadline at Milwaukee
Photo Date:  5/20/1980  Upload Date: 9/9/2023 4:41:04 PM
Location:  Milwaukee, WI
Author:  James Sponholz
Categories: 
Locomotives:  MILW 70C(F7A)
Views:  88   Comments: 0
Retired CMSTP&P F7A #70C
Title:  Retired CMSTP&P F7A #70C
Description: 
Photo Date:  7/5/1980  Upload Date: 9/16/2022 9:42:52 PM
Location:  Milwaukee, WI
Author:  Gerard Putz
Categories:  Roster
Locomotives:  MILW 70C(F7A)
Views:  67   Comments: 0
MILW 70C
Title:  MILW 70C
Description: 
Photo Date:  7/18/1980  Upload Date: 10/4/2007 1:56:56 PM
Location:  Milwaukee, WI
Author:  C.W. Lahickey
Categories: 
Locomotives:  MILW 70C(F7A)
Views:  978   Comments: 0
MILW 70C
Title:  MILW 70C
Description: 
Photo Date:  12/1/1980  Upload Date: 12/7/2017 4:40:27 PM
Location:  Milwaukee, WI
Author:  Matt Petersen
Categories: 
Locomotives:  MILW 70C(F7A)
Views:  174   Comments: 1
KCS 71 at service facility
Title:  KCS 71 at service facility
Description:  Date approximate.
Photo Date:  4/1/1974  Upload Date: 6/17/2016 5:35:11 PM
Location:  Minden, LA
Author:  Mose Crews
Categories:  Roster
Locomotives:  KCS 71(F7A)
Views:  560   Comments: 0
KCS 71
Title:  KCS 71
Description:  Date approximate
Photo Date:  7/1/1974  Upload Date: 6/17/2016 5:36:12 PM
Location:  Minden, LA
Author:  Mose Crews
Categories:  Roster
Locomotives:  KCS 71(F7A)
Views:  604   Comments: 0
KCS 71 with B-unit
Title:  KCS 71 with B-unit
Description:  Northbound train arriving in Minden. Date approximate.
Photo Date:  5/1/1975  Upload Date: 6/17/2016 5:32:16 PM
Location:  Minden, LA
Author:  Mose Crews
Categories:  Action
Locomotives:  KCS 71(F7A)
Views:  814   Comments: 0
KCS GP9 4162
Title:  KCS GP9 4162
Description:  KCS GP9 4162 and F7's 71 and 95 at Heavener, Oklahoma, date and photographer unknown (possibly Steve Laser), slide from Chuck Zeiler collection. All information is a guess, the slide was unmarked. Any help would be appreciated. Here is what we know so far.

Bob Courtney posted this request for information on the Yahoo KCS Discussion Group (sorry, don't have the address) and got these replies.

The photo in question was taken in Heavener just northeast of the engine house looking to the southwest. Tut Bartzen

Number 71 is an F7, 95 is an F3. The black unit behind 95 is one of the GP7's still painted in the black scheme. Numberboards on the front start with a 4 and the last digit visible on the cab side appears to be an 8. This would make it the 4158. It's original number would have been the 158. Question to ask..... When was it renumbered to 4158 from 158 and when was it painted white? The 4162 still has it's high nose front, so that definitely makes this a pre-1983 picture as it was rebuilt with a chopped nose after the wreck in Pittsburg, TX in '84. It is also post 1954 as it no longer has the GP7 louver on the hood and the panels under the cab since it was rebuilt from a GP7 into GP9m after its first wreck in 1954 by EMD. Casey

Chuck's comment: As stated, all information was a guess. I chose Pittsburg because I knew there was a shop there and the locomotives looked like they needed shopping more than servicing, but the roof vents on the shop building are unusual for the KCS. The 95 is a upgraded F3, according to the book, Kansas City Southern In The Deramus Era, by Louis A. Marre and Gregory J. Sommers. It was delivered in 1948 as F3 58A. In 1957 the 58 A-B-B-A set was broken up and 58A was renumbered 58, later renumbered to 95 before the KCS settled on four digit numbers for the F-units. Note 36 reads:

L&A 58A rebuilt to F7 specifications 12/31/53; renumbered to 95 at Pittsburg 5/68; renumbered to 4052 at Pittsburg 4/3/78.

As for the dark GP7, I assumed it to be an MP unit (but it lacks the MP chevrons), so KCS 4161 would be my guess. I looked at a closeup of the slide but could not accurately make out the number so I made no comment in the original post. Another determining factor to help pinpoint the date is the repaint, renumbering, or retirement date of 71. UPDATE: I received an email from Paul Strang with the following; I don’t recognize the photo and I don’t think I’ve ever seen the power split up that way. This shot might be by Steve Laser. He went there at lot right after he got out of the Navy and I ended up processing most of his stuff. This photo is at Heavener. The Wye track on which 71 was shot (in another slide) is the track in the foreground. The Fort Smith Dodger rated 95, a switcher, or a GP7/9. The AW (Arkansas Western branch to Waldron, AR) required two F-units as the max speed was 10 mph and there had to be enough power to climb the small grades w/o being able to get a run at them. The South Local had two GP30's and the North Local had two GP7/9 at this time. Mena had a GP for a switcher. It would often come to Heavener on weekends for service. That probably explains one of those units.

Photo Date:  6/1/1975  Upload Date: 6/5/2012 2:38:33 PM
Location:  Heavener, OK
Author:  Steve Laser
Categories:  Yard
Locomotives:  KCS 4162(GP9R) KCS 95(F7A) KCS 71(F7A)
Views:  1966   Comments: 0
Milwaukee 71C
Title:  Milwaukee 71C
Description:  Paul Hunnell Photo
Photo Date:  1/17/1976  Upload Date: 1/18/2017 9:20:34 PM
Location:  Bensenville, IL
Author:  Richard Kundert
Categories:  Roster
Locomotives:  MILW 71C(F7A)
Views:  377   Comments: 0
MILW 763
Title:  MILW 763
Description: 
Photo Date:  12/1/1980  Upload Date: 12/7/2017 5:04:45 PM
Location:  Milwaukee, WI
Author:  Matt Petersen
Categories: 
Locomotives:  MILW 763(H10-44) MILW 861(SW1) MILW 476(MP15AC) MILW 5803(U36C) MILW 71C(F7A)
Views:  566   Comments: 0
KCS F7 71
Title:  KCS F7 71
Description:  KCS F7 71 at Heavener, Oklahoma, slide mount stamped JUN 81. By matching the hand-written road number on the mount with other slides in my collection, it looks like Kodachrome by Paul L. Strang, Chuck Zeiler collection. Other than the number 71, the slide wos unmarked. See Paul's comment below.
Photo Date:  6/1/1981  Upload Date: 5/26/2012 2:05:08 PM
Location:  Heavener, OK
Author:  Paul L. Strang
Categories:  Roster
Locomotives:  KCS 71(F7A)
Views:  1267   Comments: 2
Red stuff
Title:  Red stuff
Description:  F units in red
Photo Date:  3/10/1967  Upload Date: 9/9/2010 11:22:35 AM
Location:  Heavener, OK
Author:  Daryl McGee
Categories:  Yard,Action
Locomotives:  KCS 72(F7A)
Views:  1263   Comments: 0
Milwaukee Road
Title:  Milwaukee Road
Description: 
Photo Date:  7/10/1973  Upload Date: 2/10/2011 10:16:57 PM
Location:  Flag Center, IL
Author:  Tom Harris
Categories:  Action
Locomotives:  MILW 72A(F7A)
Views:  542   Comments: 0
Milwaukee Road
Title:  Milwaukee Road
Description: 
Photo Date:  7/10/1973  Upload Date: 2/10/2011 10:22:35 PM
Location:  Davis Junction, IL
Author:  Tom Harris
Categories:  Action
Locomotives:  MILW 72A(F7A)
Views:  466   Comments: 1
Milwaukee Road F7A #72A
Title:  Milwaukee Road F7A #72A
Description:  Digital image from Kim E. Piersol original 35mm Kodachrome transparency
Photo Date:  4/1/1974  Upload Date: 5/19/2006 7:29:26 PM
Location:  Bensenville, IL
Author:  Kim Piersol
Categories: 
Locomotives:  MILW 72A(F7A)
Views:  928   Comments: 1
MKT 72C
Title:  MKT 72C
Description: 
Photo Date:  2/10/1975  Upload Date: 5/13/2018 11:28:46 AM
Location:  Joplin, MO
Author:  Jim Wilson
Categories: 
Locomotives:  MKT 72C(F7A)
Views:  325   Comments: 1
Katy's Kovered Wagons
Title:  Katy's Kovered Wagons
Description:  A pair of MKT Fs idle at Oklahoma City in May 1977. 72C is an F7A, mate 78C is an FP7. That's the shell of the former MKT roundhouse in the background.
Photo Date:  5/13/1977  Upload Date: 2/10/2008 3:50:06 PM
Location:  Oklahoma City, OK
Author:  Rick Morgan
Categories: 
Locomotives:  MKT 72C(F7A)
Views:  1190   Comments: 0
Fs
Title:  Fs
Description:  on the Rock to OKC
Photo Date:  6/1/1977  Upload Date: 6/7/2010 2:19:46 PM
Location:  Shawnee, OK
Author:  Daryl McGee
Categories:  Action
Locomotives:  MKT 72C(F7A)
Views:  1520   Comments: 3
Fs on the bridge
Title:  Fs on the bridge
Description:  MKT F units
Photo Date:  6/1/1977  Upload Date: 6/7/2010 2:21:12 PM
Location:  Shawnee, OK
Author:  Daryl McGee
Categories:  Scenic,Bridge,Action
Locomotives:  MKT 72C(F7A)
Views:  1177   Comments: 1
Milwaukee Road F unit at Daytons Bluff Milwaukee shops in 1978.
Title:  Milwaukee Road F unit at Daytons Bluff Milwaukee shops in 1978.
Description:  The engine house is still being used, but the F7 is long gone.
Photo Date:  3/12/1978  Upload Date: 10/17/2011 4:22:04 PM
Location:  Daytons Bluff, MN
Author:  S Kotnour
Categories:  Roster,Yard
Locomotives:  MILW 72A(F7A)
Views:  750   Comments: 0
Layover in LaCrosse
Title:  Layover in LaCrosse
Description:  Date Unknown
Photo Date:  6/1/1978  Upload Date: 5/16/2010 8:42:43 PM
Location:  La Crosse, WI
Author:  Mike Cunningham
Categories:  Roster
Locomotives:  MILW 72C(F7A)
Views:  639   Comments: 0
La Crosse Roundhouse and Camp Cars in the background
Title:  La Crosse Roundhouse and Camp Cars in the background
Description:  Date Unknown
Photo Date:  6/1/1978  Upload Date: 8/24/2010 10:54:04 AM
Location:  La Crosse, WI
Author:  Mike Cunningham
Categories:  Roster,Yard
Locomotives:  MILW 72C(F7A)
Views:  430   Comments: 0
MILW 72A
Title:  MILW 72A
Description: 
Photo Date:  8/11/1978  Upload Date: 12/13/2010 10:35:37 AM
Location:  Channing, MI
Author:  Jack Smith
Categories: 
Locomotives:  MILW 72A(F7A)
Views:  426   Comments: 0
MKT 72C
Title:  MKT 72C
Description:  OKLAHOMA CITY OK October 1979 -- This undated photo shows Katy F7A 72C at the old roundhouse site in Turner Yard. It had the point on the journey from McAlester but will relinquish its lead spot for the return trip. The unit was MKT 209C when it was delivered in 1949. (Photo date approximate, roster information from thedieselshop.us)
Photo Date:  10/1/1979  Upload Date: 2/27/2012 8:16:03 PM
Location:  Oklahoma City, OK
Author:  Charles Stookey
Categories:  Roster
Locomotives:  MKT 72C(F7A)
Views:  1154   Comments: 1
MILW 92A 1978
Title:  MILW 92A 1978
Description: 
Photo Date:  1/1/2005  Upload Date: 4/28/2005 10:30:47 PM
Location:  Saint Paul, MN
Author:  ?
Categories:  Roster
Locomotives:  MILW 72A(F7A)
Views:  2079   Comments: 2
MKT 73-c
Title:  MKT 73-c
Description: 
Photo Date:  10/30/1967  Upload Date: 2/6/2015 5:39:01 PM
Location:  Parsons, KS
Author:  Jack Smith
Categories:  Roster
Locomotives:  MKT 73C(F7A)
Views:  505   Comments: 0
Milwaukee 73A
Title:  Milwaukee 73A
Description:  Bruno Berzins Photo
Photo Date:  12/28/1971  Upload Date: 1/18/2017 9:21:23 PM
Location:  Bensenville, IL
Author:  Richard Kundert
Categories:  Roster
Locomotives:  MILW 73A(F7A)
Views:  371   Comments: 0
KCS 73
Title:  KCS 73
Description:  PITTSBURG KS April 1977 -- F7A 73 sits at the engine facility.
Photo Date:  4/1/1977  Upload Date: 9/3/2011 8:38:24 PM
Location:  Pittsburg, KS
Author:  Charles Stookey
Categories:  Roster
Locomotives:  KCS 73(F7A)
Views:  1166   Comments: 0
KCS 73
Title:  KCS 73
Description:  from a neagtive, outside Pittsburg shop
Photo Date:  4/14/1977  Upload Date: 12/31/2013 9:41:05 AM
Location:  Pittsburg, KS
Author:  Daniel Schroeder
Categories: 
Locomotives:  KCS 73(F7A)
Views:  611   Comments: 0
KCS 73D$
Title:  KCS 73D$
Description: 
Photo Date:  8/9/2002  Upload Date: 9/9/2004 7:55:26 PM
Location:  Decatur, AR
Author:  Mike Murray
Categories: 
Locomotives:  KCS 73D(F7A)
Views:  1186   Comments: 0
KCS M-KSBM passes KCS 73D.
Title:  KCS M-KSBM passes KCS 73D.
Description: 
Photo Date:  6/28/2005  Upload Date: 7/18/2005 8:04:01 PM
Location:  Decatur, AR
Author:  Brent Holt
Categories: 
Locomotives:  KCS 73D(F7A)
Views:  1297   Comments: 0
KCS 73D
Title:  KCS 73D
Description:  KCS 73D
Photo Date:  7/15/2005  Upload Date: 7/17/2005 2:09:56 AM
Location:  Decatur, AR
Author:  Keith Belk
Categories: 
Locomotives:  KCS 73D(F7A)
Views:  958   Comments: 0
KCS 73D
Title:  KCS 73D
Description:  KCS 73D
Photo Date:  7/15/2005  Upload Date: 7/17/2005 2:09:37 AM
Location:  Decatur, AR
Author:  Keith Belk
Categories: 
Locomotives:  KCS 73D(F7A)
Views:  992   Comments: 0
KCS 73D
Title:  KCS 73D
Description: 
Photo Date:  10/16/2006  Upload Date: 10/26/2006 1:50:46 PM
Location:  Decatur, AR
Author:  Tom Stolte
Categories:  Roster
Locomotives:  KCS 73D(F7A)
Views:  695   Comments: 0
KCS 73D
Title:  KCS 73D
Description:  KCS 73D at the Decatur depot as seen from the KCS dome MONTERREY.
Photo Date:  12/23/2007  Upload Date: 12/1/2008 7:49:18 PM
Location:  Decatur, AR
Author:  Shawn Levy
Categories: 
Locomotives:  KCS 73D(F7A)
Views:  1165   Comments: 0
KCS 73D
Title:  KCS 73D
Description: 
Photo Date:  12/28/2007  Upload Date: 1/2/2008 2:10:15 PM
Location:  Decatur, AR
Author:  roger daniels
Categories: 
Locomotives:  KCS 73D(F7A)
Views:  557   Comments: 0
KCS 73D
Title:  KCS 73D
Description: 
Photo Date:  7/4/2008  Upload Date: 7/6/2008 10:12:47 PM
Location:  Decatur, AR
Author:  Terry Cantrell
Categories:  Roster
Locomotives:  KCS 73D(F7A)
Views:  537   Comments: 0
KCS 73D
Title:  KCS 73D
Description: 
Photo Date:  7/4/2008  Upload Date: 7/6/2008 10:13:44 PM
Location:  Decatur, AR
Author:  Terry Cantrell
Categories:  Roster
Locomotives:  KCS 73D(F7A)
Views:  485   Comments: 1
Displayed KCS 73D F7A
Title:  Displayed KCS 73D F7A
Description:  KCS 73D sits gutted, stuffed and mounted at the Decatur, AR Depot.
Photo Date:  1/18/2009  Upload Date: 1/19/2009 12:14:59 AM
Location:  Decatur, AR
Author:  Zach Pumphery
Categories:  Roster,Scenic,Station,Track
Locomotives:  KCS 73D(F7A)
Views:  568   Comments: 2
KCS 73D
Title:  KCS 73D
Description: 
Photo Date:  4/30/2011  Upload Date: 5/2/2011 9:49:12 PM
Location:  Decatur, AR
Author:  Sam Botts
Categories: 
Locomotives:  KCS 73D(F7A)
Views:  578   Comments: 0
KCS 73D
Title:  KCS 73D
Description: 
Photo Date:  4/30/2011  Upload Date: 5/2/2011 9:49:55 PM
Location:  Decatur, AR
Author:  Sam Botts
Categories: 
Locomotives:  KCS 73D(F7A)
Views:  559   Comments: 0
KCS 73D
Title:  KCS 73D
Description: 
Photo Date:  12/5/2012  Upload Date: 12/6/2012 2:15:08 AM
Location:  Decatur, AR
Author:  Terry Redeker
Categories:  Roster,Night
Locomotives:  KCS 73D(F7A)
Views:  481   Comments: 0
KCS 73D
Title:  KCS 73D
Description: 
Photo Date:  12/5/2012  Upload Date: 12/6/2012 2:15:30 AM
Location:  Decatur, AR
Author:  Terry Redeker
Categories:  Roster,Night
Locomotives:  KCS 73D(F7A)
Views:  465   Comments: 0
KCS 73D
Title:  KCS 73D
Description: 
Photo Date:  12/5/2012  Upload Date: 12/6/2012 2:16:44 AM
Location:  Decatur, AR
Author:  Terry Redeker
Categories:  Roster,Night
Locomotives:  KCS 73D(F7A)
Views:  421   Comments: 0
KCS 73D
Title:  KCS 73D
Description: 
Photo Date:  12/5/2012  Upload Date: 12/6/2012 2:17:18 AM
Location:  Decatur, AR
Author:  Terry Redeker
Categories:  Roster,Night,Station
Locomotives:  KCS 73D(F7A)
Views:  424   Comments: 0
KCS 73D
Title:  KCS 73D
Description:  On display in Decatur.
Photo Date:  12/7/2012  Upload Date: 12/8/2012 11:23:35 PM
Location:  Decatur, AR
Author:  Terry Redeker
Categories:  Roster,Station
Locomotives:  KCS 73D(F7A)
Views:  451   Comments: 0


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